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25 - The Forgotten
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Stratego |
Posted on 10/28/04 @ 12:00 AM (updated 11/17/04)
Mission 25 - The Forgotten
4 opponents: The Rat “Duke de Puce”, The Snake “Duke Beauregard”, The Pig “Duke Truffe”, The Wolf “Duke Volpe”
2000 Gold for player, 4000 Gold for each opponent
It took me 30 game years to finish this mission and I absolutely won’t classify this scenario as difficult, but as tough and lengthy. There’s a river dividing the map up to two parts, where the player starts on the south-eastern banks. The stone and iron resources are located in the middle of the map on a tiny rocky river-island and it’s really hard to mine there. Nevertheless, you have to get this important economic area under control directly from the beginning.
Erect 1 granary and two apple orchards north-west of your keep, 5 stockpile elements, 3 woodcutters, 1 marketplace, 1 armoury, barracks and 1 engineer’s guild. Buy in 85 stones and 20 bows. Primarily build up two square towers next to the northern ford leading to the central island. Connect these towers by walls and stairs. Besides, block off the southern ford by a thick wall. The left tower should be manned by a ballista, the right one by a mangonel. Recruit 20 archers ordering them on top of the towers. Then tear down one stair’s element, so that nobody will reach the towers’ garrisons. Your mangonel should aim at the Rat’s gatehouse and the hostile peasants leaving the castle for work. Your self-acting ballista and your archers will do their jobs well, because your centrally placed towers will guarantee many targets around, especially those iron and stone deposits nearby.
Now start to use these resources for yourself by erecting one quarry inclusively three ox tethers and one iron mine. Continue to raise your popularity by adding one inn, 1 brewery (buy hops!), 1 church (later 1 cathedral). On the military side, it is advisable to install five fletchers, one of them producing bows and crossbows by the others. Supplement two dairy farms on the northern oasis completed by two tanners (leather armours). Keep on building up your settlement as usual, however you will notice, that you’ll be short of gold in the course of time. Should the occasion arise, you ought to sell some apples and iron, even with regard to the dragging production of those goods. You’ll be dependent on stones for the next nears, useful to expand your influence by adding several new towers (no matter if square or round) on the other side of the river. Partially, place a few ballistas on top of the towers on this western front-line against the continuously attacking catapults of the Wolf. You should also erect trebuchets there, destroying both the Wolf’s trebuchets and his square towers (inclusively his pesky ballistas and mangonels on it).
Additionally try to occupy the island with some knights who have to destroy the opponent quarries several times. Beware of the hostile slaves who will try to burn down your farms and workshops. For that reason, be prepared by setting up a few wells. You will slowly improve your central position on the island systematically. I personally got the feeling of moving two steps forward and one step back. Mainly care about the Wolf’s trebuchets, which will permanently try to destroy your stone and iron industries. Concentrate on mustering crossbowmen and swordsmen for the offensive and the Rat will be your first and easier candidate to eliminate.
The rest of your adversaries are harder to eliminate, especially the Wolf and the Pig, because of their neighbouring castles protecting each other. The best concept will be an intensive siege-strategy: Several catapults and fire ballistas will assist your advancing units (crossbowmen, macemen, pikemen, swordsmen, and knights) by weakening the hostile economic structures and workshops. Use many shields for your offensives.
You will surely be victorious, but in this mission, you’ll learn how to be patient.
Good luck Stratego
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The Animaal |
Posted on 04/13/08 @ 10:51 AM
Rush or be rushed. European stile. :)
As it comes to rat and snake, speed not strenght is essential. Keeping this in mind, I made an army, which consisted from 3 groups of archers (13, 13, 12), 1 group of shieds (13), 1 group of macemen (5), 1 group of spearmen (5), all light force led by lord; put max tax and was ready to face the rat.
http://h1.ripway.com/TheAnimaal/Crusader/25_1.JPG
Formation of archers and shields (AS) easily stood the ground in front of rats keep eliminating everyone from top of it. Macemen took care of barracks and forced rat to close the gates.
http://h1.ripway.com/TheAnimaal/Crusader/25_2.JPG
Next move by AS was made counter clockwise around rats castle to meet snakes tower, clearing rest of men on rats walls; lord, sparmen and macemen (LSM) was placed very next to rats castle at the same time.
http://h1.ripway.com/TheAnimaal/Crusader/25_3.JPG
When AS took their position, LSM broke through the walls for the kill. (Tip: do the lord vs lord fight, engaging rest of your men after the first hits; this will keep your men alive just causing a little damage to your lords health).
Now the snake.
Patiently moving AS clockwise around the snakes castle, quite much of fire I had to direct manualy till AS was in the range of snakes archers shooting from the keep and his second tower. It was pretty close to deal with slingers, spearmen, slaves and woodcutters (!?). LSM was used to clear surroundings. When snakes castle run out of backups LSM just went in and made their job. (Snakes castle was unfinished, just used the stairs).
http://h1.ripway.com/TheAnimaal/Crusader/25_4.JPG
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So I found myself controling all eastern side of the map and more than 1k gold filling my pockets… While vitorious army marched back home, I built engineers guild, market, woodcutter huts, grannary and expanded stockpile. Then turned 4 available ppl to engineers; imidiatly popularity jumped from 0 to 75 and, as I wasn’t taxing ppl anymore, popularity grew, ppl arrive. Then I walled nearest river passes and formed defencive formation between, consisting from 2 (a bit later 5) balistas and AS, guarded by LSM. The rest was easy…
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PS
You may expierience a try from pig, while rushing, but its not too intense. Use the Tip tactics. :) |
Nightmare362 |
Posted on 08/06/08 @ 12:46 PM
WOW this was one of the best levels yet... it was so intense and once you start i had no problem killing everyone... after reading all those tips except the ox tether trick that is very cheap (did not use it) it was a pretty awsome level. I used the strategy where you put one defence tower to the north of you and i put it like almost toucking the 3 ford leading to the iron and rock island, that took care of the rat and the snake and i didnt realize this at the start but my tower being there didnt alow the pig to get stones because my crossbowmen just picked them off and the wolf took up all the space at the stone area next to the pigs castle. I made my money off of flour and crossbows and once i started and got my economy up and running it was smooth sailing from there because all i had to worry about was attacks from the wolf beause the pig only attacked me once and then he stopped... i guess cuz he had no stone and my fire ballistae and crossbows were picking off his farmiers from across the river. After i got a suitable army i took out the enemies one by one. |
Dragol |
Posted on 10/01/08 @ 09:18 AM
Yeah in this one wolf builds his famous "square castle" which is probably the hardest to lay siege to |
Lady Khandia |
Posted on 12/25/08 @ 03:45 PM
This walkthrough was hard-ish...you need rel patience...trust me when yuh beat this you'll feel to dance...doh give up as i wanted to is worth the effort trying. |
Dragol |
Posted on 01/11/09 @ 02:52 AM
I am on this mission now almost finished. It took a few tries at the start untill i realised i needed arrow fire onto the "Bulls Eye" I started by placing the usual and getting ale for Mean tax (-8) I place a small tower right near the bullseye and also a square tower with a ballista down the far bottom on my side of the river. i bought 10 crossbow men and sent 10 to the big tower 5 to the little aswell as my starting archers to the small tower. With small amounts of gold coming in i cept my population low as i could only afford 1 inn. i started producing small amounts of crossbowmen and archers to reinforce the archers in the current towers. with the snakes and rats money cut off buy cutting off the stone i was able to take them both with about 20 swordsman (bought). The wolf had basically starved the economy of the pig so he was missing many towers and his fort was open and as easy target for about 30 pikemen. I set up mangonel towers across the wolfs side of the river firing at his base aswell as trebuchets to take out his towers (putting them into the destroyed status so he could not rebuild them.
Even though wolf builds one of the strongest Ai castles the massive amount of stone needed for the castle stopped him from rushing at all and it wasnt till far into the game he started attacking (by then i had alot of archers and square towers) now im taking down the wolf step by step and attept to kill him with a large amount of pikeman.
Not a very fun mission overall, long and boring, and also on one of the most unbalanced and poor stronghold maps there is in my opinion.
Good luck
Dragol |
Darkness_Elf |
Posted on 07/02/09 @ 01:53 PM
took me 13 game years on my second try! im at 1244 AD on the 26th level |
Bman980 |
Posted on 01/23/10 @ 03:55 PM
THis mission is impossible! i have tried a lot of ways and i still can't even kill one of the lords! plz help me! |
ericgolf
Staff |
Posted on 01/23/10 @ 04:53 PM
BMan980, Try asking in the Crusader: General Discussion & Game Help forum
http://stronghold.heavengames.com/cgi-bin/forum/display.cgi?action=t&fn=14
Experienced crusader players are often to be found there. |
OldGuy59 |
Posted on 02/05/10 @ 12:06 AM
Not an experienced player, but I did manage to beat this level after reading comments here. The key strat that I gleaned was from the first page of this thread - the one about digging moats around the two closest river fords. These moats keep the Pig and Wolf off your back as long as you create the towers and fill them with crossbowmen. Also, see the notes on creating fire bastillas facing the east (on the west bank of the river) to stop the Pig's catapults.
Once you have a fairly stable situation, it is a matter of building an economy based on crossbows. I built about 20 fletchers building crossbows, selling them and buying wood. Those profits go into more solid defense, then eventually the offense (crossbowmen and macemen) to defeat the northern oppoents. After that, it is a battle for the center island. Once you are fairly secure there, build stone and iron, and then build up an army. Kill Pig first, and finally Wolf.
Takes a while, be patient, save often. |
NorthTool |
Posted on 05/02/10 @ 11:25 AM
This one was really hard, I don't think I would have ever managed it without the moat trick.
As long as Rat and Snake were still living, I had a very weak economy (mainly based on crossbows), but I managed to ward everything off (except for Pig's and Wolf's catapults that kept destroying farms west of my keep) with just one Square tower (with Ballista) near the northern ford. Rat's economy was even worse than my own, so it wasn't too hard to take him down, even though my first wave of assassins got taken down because I didn't send enough. By the time I layed siege to Snake, I had enough money to use Catapults and Trebuchets, I just had to build new ones when they were out of stone. When Snakes Gate and Towers were finally gone, I sent some Arabian Swordsmen in there who killed the few Spearmen and the lord that were left. Then, I managed to get an enough working bread economy with all the new land to get some money out of it, and while I built up a huge army of crossbowmen, I kept destroying all enemy buildings in Fire Ballista range, which helped to let Wolf not getting rich, he was between 1000 and 2000 gold all the time. When i finally attacked, it quickly became sure that my army of 300 or 400 crossbowmen was far not enough to take down the wolf, so I made a risky move and sent my defensive crossbowmen to help as well. Somehow they managed to beat the wolf's defenses, so I could but them onto his walls by using a Siege tower. Then, I tried to dig his inner moat with Slaves so I could get some Arabian Swordsmen in there, but before that happened, his lord died in Crossbowfire. The last one left was the Pig which died to the same Siege Tower strategy as the wolf without being a problem at all. Overall, it took me about 50 years to beat this mission, which is quite a lot. |
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