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The Return of the Wolf (update!!)

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Lord De gravile
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Map Size: 300x300 (Medium)
Difficulty: Hard
Minimap:
it's My first map enjoy
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Lord_Lorou Well, this was your first map, and this is my first review! I hope that you will find my comments helpful and encouraging.

Playability: I found this level very enjoyable and definitely one I'll keep. With my opponent being Wolf, I was a bit nervous, but the level was easy, with me beating it first try. with only archers to defend your base against wolf's formidable armored troops, I was nervous, but fortunately you have enough time and resources to get a huge army of archers (about 500). With no pitch nearby, it was easily available through the market. If you had restricted it, then it could have been a dillema; do I use my starting pitch now, and risk not being able to use it now? I was a bit confused by there being iron mines in your level. With no boiling oil pots or weapons manufacture, there was nothing to do with it besides sell it off (giving me even more gold).

Balance: I found the balance was a bit poor, since I soon had a huge army of archers and monks. With the starting sum of 20,000 gold, and almost everything tradeable, I never really found myself needing anything, from weapons to food to troops to resources. With the rather huge popularity you have with all that ale and religion, I never really needed any gold either, since I could have really high taxes.

Creativity: The idea of only have archers and monks was I think creative. The use of moats in the wolf's castle was ingenious. There weren't really any events. If this was meant to be crusader play, just with some nice prebuilt castles, then this comment isn't really relevant.

Map Design: The map was nicely made, especially the mountains, with the iron mixed in as a visual effect. The lonely ruined house is nice as well. The sea is a nice decorative along the edge, as well. Nothihng that looked unrealistic except perhaps the thickness of your walls. The Wolf built his castle around the moats very nicely, and quickly built a powerful castle. Congratulations on not using the maximum map size: Lots of people use it, and overestimate their ability to fill up all that space. (like me).

Story/Instructions: Definitely a weak point, there were no story or instructions, no text documents in the zip, nothing. Personally I like to err on too much rather than too little, since if someone doesn't want to see it, they just scroll past it, or don't open the zip file.

Summary: So, a fairly good map with no large flaws. I'm sorry if I seem a bit critical for your first map, but I'm just saying what I think.

[Edited on 08/15/08 @ 01:07 PM]

Lord De gravile
File Author
thank you about my first map but im sorry about the story because when i made this map i dont think about the story and once more im sorry
(sorry my bad english conversation because im indonesian)
ericgolf
Staff
Lord De gravile, You can still make a story. You can use the update button on this page to add it to the download description. Maybe after you add a story Lord Lorou will adjust his review and score.
Lord De gravile
File Author
yeah i think i must update this map with the story, and some balancing this map
peter2008
Rating
3.3
Breakdown
Playability3.5
Balance3.0
Creativity4.0
Map Design3.5
Story/Instructions2.5
"The Return of the Wolf" is a skirmish death match mission putting you against the well-known AI. Its peculiarity consists in that you play AS an AI yourself, with the limited measures of the Abbott. "Crusader from within" in this sence.

Playability: 3.5
Happily almost everything works fine in this constellation. Strangely enough I could not place ballistas on the Abbott's prebuilt square towers. The Wolf's behaviour and messages are as always.
The task is clear, a duell, but not simple to solve. For the most time of the game a balance of powers prevails. With few and weak starting units you cannot rush the enemy (in neither of the two versions). The Wolf's soldiers get lost on the way to your castle (see Balance).
What a human can do best is rearrange the grouping of buildings inside the walls. So I chucked out the hovels and one church - such a waste of space - and replaced them with fletcher's workshops. Also I removed the Fear Inducers.
As for tactics your, the Abbott's choice is extremely limited. No laddermen, no siege towers to win the enemy's walls, and of course no infidel mercenaries. For me it was a rather tedious part to slowly accumulate a huge mono-typed force.
I tried to use an outpost in the middle of the map (this side of the rocks) but it did not work effectively.
Fun was the only and final assault.

Balance: 3
Is the mission hard? No, compared with many later missions of the first Crusader Trail. At first glance it may seem so because of the weak weapons and and non-existing armour of the troops at hands. On the other side the player is in a safe and comfortable, yet carefree position to prepare for a striking attack. Never in a skirmish map you're given that much starting gold.
In my opinion it's only the Wolf's fame as best equipped European count in Stronghold1 that makes people fear him. In Crusader his attacks turn out to be ridiculous. He sends out his troops very late and they are decisively weakenend by that high negative fear factor. His swanky, oversized castles are a tough nut only if you start to attack at the wrong corner. Eventually each Crusader AI is easily beatable with the right timing and by outnumbering his forces step by step.
Economically the AI might have an advantage through the bigger oasis. 3 quarries are at his disposal (against more iron deposits on the Aboott's side. Stone available from many directions could be very useful for him if one player decided to begin trying to snash his installation with catapults.

Creativity: 4.0
The core and big point of the mission. In many respects you can see that Lord De gravile has had a good look at the structure of Crusader.
Above all his idea of the player taking the role of an AI him-/herself. Not like there's sometimes an AI as ally in your neighbourhood but you play as "fixed role", partly within the limitations of an AI but of course as a thinking one. In invasions maps it's difficult to make the AI attack in a more creative manner. This new skirmish situation allows for "feeling" like the Computer a bit.
The author also exactly knows what he wants when he restricts many fighting (and some food trading) possibilities. What a shock, when you open a menu and the very element you want to choose is lacking (good things).
So for crossing the border of usual skirmish setting without compromise I give the high score. The duell-like situation did not attract me so much.

Map Design: 3.5
Here it was hard for me to decide which score is fair to the map. The author planned the landscape well to fit to the fighting situation. Two plains for the opponents, a middle line of rocks to let them be separated, too. Flanks of the same kind of rocks which may open ways for flexible strategies. Here stone and iron is worked in. Olive trees are ditributed in a pleasing, naturally looking way.
In my overall impression I'm not fully convinced of the outline. It feels a bit too shematic for me with the Wolf's castle and just these rocks dominating the scenery. Too much of the same.

Story/Instructions: 2.5
Now there's a story, as short as lovely. A "monk commander" is involved and an engineer recommends "the awesome catapult". The Abbot's answer contains a hidden strategical hint. I immediately liked the text.
On the other side a "how to" would have been helpful. Many players will not know the possibility of copying maps and changing the file type at the end from "sav" to "map" again. How many copies were needed for the original version, where the Wolf is just starting to build up his castle while the Abbott's one is already completed? Did the author find certain availabilities of troops, siege engines etc. already being restricted by game programming?

Additional Comments:
A very good job for a first map! An interesting change of view, found indipendently of the comtemporary "Against Fort Truffe" by Mimihitam.

Two funny screenshots that hopefully won't spoil others' strategy.

Archers squeezed into the rocks waiting for the right moment to charge.
http://stronghold.heavengames.com/gallery/album27/aav

Monks on the way to tear down a church !! (The cathedral already razed.)
http://stronghold.heavengames.com/gallery/album27/aaw

I'd really like to ask you, Lord De gravile, for some other probes of such a constellation. How about an AI whose castle lacks far ranged tower-based siege engines or the use of pitch? Frederick, The Marshall, the Wazir or "take care"-Nizar ...
Or someting else from you "inside Crusader".

[Edited on 10/19/08 @ 10:09 PM]

Messenger Your map is one of the first I have downloaded and played. I very much enjoyed having to depend on the monks for melee support. My only problem with the map is that i discovered that if I destroyed Volpes mines, he would not replace them. My first time playing through diverted me for two afternoons before I won.
I am new to the site, but I have played the Stronghold series for awhile, bur I am still only an intermedite player, at best. I can't even figure out how to multi on the web.
Thank you for your fun map with your interesting ideas
Messenger Sorry, I forgot to mention I really enjoyed your Duke Volpe castle...lol, and thanks again.
Eaogrim Its a nice map and i liked it but i had a few problems when i started the game my lord was already dead so i could not lose and when i restarted the mission it came up on a blank map....
can you try to fix this plz ??
peter2008 The restarting thing cannot be fixed. It results from the mixed map type Lord De gravile has created. In the editor, he changed the invasion into a skirmish and - after chosing the AIs - back again.
So, you cannot restart but just quit and return to the Custom maps section.

Your Lord's absence is odd. It worked fine for me (just re-checked it). In real skirmsh maps it would be a matter of the colour / order of players.

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Rating
3.3
Breakdown
Playability3.5
Balance3.0
Creativity4.0
Map Design3.5
Story/Instructions2.5
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Added:08/14/08
Updated:08/25/08
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